OOC: European Defense Council

As requested by our Foreign Affairs Commissioner, I present this question to the Council:

European Defense Council

Should the EU be a part of this Council?

This post has been edited by Occoron on June 19th, 2012 - 18:29

I for one believe we should not be a part of this "Council". My main concern is that we may be obliged to assist member regions that we perhaps do not have a favourable view on. For example, one of the currently two member regions is the Greater German Reich. They openly endorse National Socialism and racism. This is not a region we wish to be seen associating with.

There is the advantage that we will be better defended against hostile neighbours. However, it has been proven in the past that we can defend ourselves adequately against foreign threats. I see no need to be involving ourselves with a organisation that will offer no credible benefit to us.

I am also concerned over the process of assisting a member region. It says in the invitation:

I am assuming that by delegates the invitation means members, as no region has more than one delegate. A mass exodus of all the WA members from our region will displace the delegate and leave ourselves open to hostile neighbours. It is madness!

In conclusion, I, as a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee, cannot support the European Union's membership of the European Defence Council.

Without wanting to sound jingoistic or arrogant I think we have fought off a lot of rogue actions in these chambers and are strong as it is. Our strength in cooperation is a shining example to the world and we are proud of this. Inter-region pacts don't work on such a level. Os Corelia would never associate with fascistd and nazis and this council would require this, I think this is an important fact that should be duly noted in our response. If they want safety they should come and join our region and be in our infrastructure.

Count Kairos Jelesniak

I perfectly agree with my collegue from Halsberg. One of the implementations of joining this organisation is the one of assisting a region that supports value which are not conciliable with our believes and ideals. The example provided by the collegue of Halsberg is a very understandable one. Kryuland, coming from socialistic roots, would NEVER accept to be ally of racists, fascists nor nazists.

I personally think that we have the power to defend ourselves, too: with superpowers such as Inquista, Duxburnian Union, Gun-Toting Animals, the United Kingdom or Rhine Ruhr to protect our back, I'm sure we wouldn't have so much problems in case of invasions: therefore my answer is "NO" to the proposal.

In fact, also an esode in that region would not be possible, I would not leave Europe personally speaking.

Malkij Ayan,
Councillor for Kryuland in the EU

My opion as Commissioner for Foreign Affairs, if I may express it, is the same as Mrs. Ayan and the collegue from Halsberg: except made for the military defence, we have also diplomacy and allies that may prove themselves very useful in case of invasion!

Martain Schusch,
Commissioner for Foreign Affairs

This post has been edited by Kryuland on June 19th, 2012 - 16:26

No. We gain nothing from this defensive pact. Too much risk without any reward. GGR also happens to be raiders aren't they? I would not empty any of our WA nations while they are around. This whole thing could be a ploy so that they may seize control of our long standing region. We also are already have an embassy with 10,000 Islands and they have the best defense force in the game. Currently our region is fine and safe, why risk it? We do not know these regions nor should we trust them.

Occitania too is a region that has recruited within our region, stealing several of our members in the past. I consider both member regions to be hostile; definitely not worth risking our region over.

The S.S.R.P. agrees with its esteemed allies of Halsberg, Kryuland, and Rhine-Ruhr. That this unilateral and compulsary defensive pact is something not to be forced upon the fair and sovereign nations of the European Union. It is every nation's right to choose whether or not to wage war or take such war precautions as stated before. Though Pyrrium may not be powerful as of yet, it is on the rise, and will one day be ready to heed the call to defend its brothers in combat, on the world stage or the battlefield. But it will Pyrrium's choice, not this Defence Council.

What Rhine said. GGR are raiders, and Occitania have a record of recruiting among us, and even (I suspect) setting up puppets to criticise our region and extol their own's virtues. So no, but I'd suggest we let them down nicely.

Okay, I agree with everyone here. I didn't think it was such a good idea (see more or less all reasons above), but I thought it was important enough to consult the Council.

Note that NS is OOC, thus nothing in our RP has much impact. The nations that can protect us are the ones with the most influence points, namely Belarum, myself, Angleter, and of course the delegate. Diplomacy is utterly useless in the crashing game. When a raiding region targets you, they have already made up their mind. You can't just talk your way out of one of those because it's not up for RP. There is only defense or defeat.

We have pretty solid layers of defense. Our endorsement count is high enough that only a large and active region even has a chance. We have 10KI to help in case they actually bring that many attackers. And if things really get desperate, we have several nations sitting on a boatload of influence - even if crashers manage to eject our current delegate, that will use up their influence and we can just shift our endorsements to ninja up another delegate.

The only real danger is if they manage to elect a delegate and accumulate enough influence to set a regional password without displaying to each resident. Therefore, it would be good to have 10KI on speed dial. However, I'm not too concerned at this point since there are very few regions capable of taking a shot at us and they usually aren't interested in strong, neutral targets.

It would be dumb for us to leave the region on support missions for obvious reasons. That's why founderless regions get support rather than give it.

This post has been edited by Duxburian Union on June 20th, 2012 - 12:51