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gundamwing
Posted: Sep 28 2009, 10:35 AM


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Afer get some advice from bro Flylice80 and bro entau i decided to paint my BB gundam rx7 (1 of my fav) i have bought

1)sand paper 600 and 1000

2) the colour that require,thiner and top coat (no primer)

i start paint at first is doing well on red and blue because the base colour is red and blue , my nightmare start when i colour yellow (the ori colour is orange) the colour didn't adhere well
i have put thiner also cannot , so i decide to paint the white but still the same the paint didn't adhere well end up i paint too thick

my question is

1) how do i remove the paint

2) why it didn't adhere i have sand the whole plastic

3) how to paint , should i paint the 1 layer even it didn't adhere well let it cure and paint the second layer .

4) or i'm stupid and don't have the skill to do it to said i don't have the talent

pls help now my bb gundam is in a mess Cry.gif pls help i have Cry.gif Cry.gif

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flylice80
Posted: Sep 28 2009, 11:12 AM


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dear Gundamwing,

Painting White and yellow gloss color would sometimes end up like this. The first picture cannot see very well. The second picture, well, it's obviously painted too thick.

Sanding doesn't really help the paint to adhere. It'll sometimes help to prepare the surface, if your surface have some oil stains, finger prints, glue stains or whatever.

if you want to remove paint, you can dip a cotton bud with thinner and rub it off. For larger area you can try use fine sand paper. But it's not a fun process, and takes alot of time.

Your idea #3 is a better choice to paint the surface with several thin layers. Paint 1 layer, then wait for complete dry, then paint another. Go gently with the brush, and don't thin your paint too much. Thinner is just helping to make the paint easier for paint. If you dilute too much, you'll end up horrible.

By the way, what paint are you using? Tamiya? I don' really prefer hand painting tamiya paint for gloss white, yellow, and red.
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Posted: Sep 28 2009, 11:17 AM


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Let me try and answer as best as I can...

1) how do i remove the paint
There is a few ways to remove the paint. First you can try and dip the parts in clorox (no need to add water) and wait for a few minutes. Some type of paint will be totally removed using it. If this didn't work, try to remove the paint by dipping it in brake oil (DOT 3) but extra caution needs to be used here as it might affect the plastic parts and making it brittle. You should not leave the parts submerged in brake oil for more than half an hour. Oh yeah, and wear rubber gloves when handling it just to be on the safe side.

2) why it didn't adhere i have sand the whole plastic
This might be because of the releasing agent that is still present on the parts. The releasing agent is used in plastic modelling to make the plastic spreues be easily separated from the mold. The release agent is not cleaned when they pack it... that is why in the assembly instruction you are advised to wash the plastic parts in water and detergent.

3) how to paint , should i paint the 1 layer even it didn't adhere well let it cure and paint the second layer .
Nope. This actually depends on the medium you are using to paint the parts. From your statement, I assume that you are using brush to paint it. I'm not good in brush painting so, I'll leave it to the pros...

4) or i'm stupid and don't have the skill to do it to said i don't have the talent
It is better to ask questions because no one in this world is born with the skill to build models.

You need to acquire skills to build models and in order to get that, you have to ask questions and do trial and error. You can ask all the seasoned modeller in here how much time and money they have spend in order to reach the current stage. I myself had destroyed quite a number of models just to get the painting right not to mention the time spent for trial and errors... laugh.gif

Hope you did not give up on model building just because a few hiccups... Even seasoned modellers sometimes make mistakes and with every mistake, there will be knowledge gained somewhere... smile.gif
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gundamwing
Posted: Sep 28 2009, 11:40 AM


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sorry bro for the poor picture

bro fly i don'tlah i go in the shop i ask for yellow,blue,white all is the sale persone give to me 1 don't know is gloss or what , somemore i open the colour some already dry out 1 Cry.gif some half of the bottol , do u guy have this problem .

the brand is mr.color

ok will try to used clorox and do it ,

i really need you all to help , i don't want to spoil my rx -7 gundam Cry.gif further is a birthday present from my wife.

thought i can show her the result yesterday but fail after inhale 7 hours of those ourdon , i feel dizzy and want to vomit .

if i cannot do it can someone help me to paint ..PLS

bro druid

i have wash the plastic part with water only before i paint
bro entau said try on plastic spoon b4fore paint i do that too when mix the colour but still fail . or it a must to user mr.surface (primer)
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Entau
Posted: Sep 28 2009, 12:13 PM


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how much you bought the BB gundam?

since you are using mr color, i think only mr color's thinner or brake fluid will remove the paint cleanly, and this two things will cost u at last rm20, i remember BB gundam is around rm20-rm30, so buy a new BB gundam or buy stuff to remove it, the choice is yours. (i will buy a new BB tongue.gif )

DID YOU THIN YOUR PAINT? thinning should be around 1:3 or 1:2 > paint:thinner
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gundamwing
Posted: Sep 28 2009, 12:22 PM


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that around RM45 Cry.gif

what bro fly teach is open the clour use a stick to stir the colour and then pour out and paint , but i do add a bit of thiner and mixt before i paint i paint it on the plastic spoon .

so how now bro pls advice need to buy those stuff this sat ..
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Posted: Sep 28 2009, 12:23 PM


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cant help you much as i rarely hand paint my kit (its very hard to look nice) tongue.gif
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gundamwing
Posted: Sep 28 2009, 12:29 PM


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but now need to get the colour that i paint out first

so used the clorox or the brake fluid or can i used the nail polish or the alcoho that used to clean the tape head , because i think i don't want to spend some more money
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Entau
Posted: Sep 28 2009, 12:36 PM


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try not paint parts that are already in the intended color, example if the head are already in white, dun paint white on white, just paint the eyes, and other small detail unpainted parts, after that just topcoat with flat clear
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Posted: Sep 28 2009, 01:04 PM


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ENtau, 1:2 ~ 1:3 paint:thinner mixture is too diluted for hand painting. 1:1 is maximum I'll go for hand painting. 1:2 ~ 1:3 work well with airbrush. I always paint even if the plastic is already at intended color. This is to give the whole model a sense of same texture

Erm, normally when you purchase a paint, assuming Mr.color, they won't come bottle full (so far I only see Humbrol comes with bottle full). Mr.color will come in about 80% full bottle. And you said that the paint is dried? Next time, please check the paints before purchasing them. Some shops says "once open, considered sold", you better ask the shopkeeper and say that you want to open the paint bottle to check whether they are "fresh".

I have used dried or "expired" paints. They are horrible when painting. For us, we roughly get used to the paint smells already. I check paint's "freshness" by smelling it. For Mr.color paint, if it has abit of "urine" smell or if it smells sour, then it's no good. Expired paints won't adhere to... basically anything. The paint actually coagulates into clumps.

If you don't want to use thinners to remove paint, please try sand paper. I really don't know about brake fluids, I don't use them. Nail polish, you can test and see.

Another thing about yellow or white paints, sometimes I don't mix the paint in the bottle and paint them. When you open the bottle, you can see a layer of clear paint "mixer" on top of a thick layer of paint. The thick layer settles at the bottom. Some times for light colors, I don't mix and I use brush to extact only the thick paint, transfer it to a tray "sometimes I use the bottle's cap if the quantity is small", then mix with thinner and paint.

Again said, better try and experiment yourself. You said you tried painting on plastic spoon before painting the model. Does the plastic spoon looks good when you paint yellow?

We suggested some methods. Please test all these methods on the plastic spoon before you proceed with your model. I've been into modeling for quite some years. I normally don't experiment nowadays, but things can still go wrong. Think how to solve the problem. That's one of the fun part in modeling.



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Posted: Sep 28 2009, 01:22 PM


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QUOTE (flylice80 @ Sep 28 2009, 01:04 PM)
ENtau, 1:2 ~ 1:3 paint:thinner mixture is too diluted for hand painting. 1:1 is maximum I'll go for hand painting. 1:2 ~ 1:3 work well with airbrush. I always paint even if the plastic is already at intended color. This is to give the whole model a sense of same texture

erm..probably 1:1 tongue.gif as i rarely hand paint my kit happy.gif

if we use airbrush, yes, i would recommend paint everthing, but since he's not using airbrush, painting just the required part would be easier (actually a lot easier tongue.gif ) coz from my experience, hand paint small parts are actually easier than hand paint large area happy.gif
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Posted: Sep 28 2009, 01:40 PM


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QUOTE (Entau @ Sep 28 2009, 01:22 PM)
QUOTE (flylice80 @ Sep 28 2009, 01:04 PM)
ENtau, 1:2 ~ 1:3 paint:thinner mixture is too diluted for hand painting. 1:1 is maximum I'll go for hand painting. 1:2 ~ 1:3 work well with airbrush. I always paint even if the plastic is already at intended color. This is to give the whole model a sense of same texture

erm..probably 1:1 tongue.gif as i rarely hand paint my kit happy.gif

if we use airbrush, yes, i would recommend paint everthing, but since he's not using airbrush, painting just the required part would be easier (actually a lot easier tongue.gif ) coz from my experience, hand paint small parts are actually easier than hand paint large area happy.gif

hmm..... yeah, got the point.

Never tried hand painting gundam. I once hand painted some tanks, but heavy weathering would make the uneven painted surface unnoticable.
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gundamwing
Posted: Sep 28 2009, 01:59 PM


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bro i try on the spoon look ok so i paint but cannot adhere don't why

the plastic spoon i not even wash and is in white colour .

bro entau yes what u said is correct but it seem that if i paint others part and the head ,hand and leg is not paint seem to be not nice and also i want to try my skill

at first i was very happy beacuse i paint the bottom of the leg and the body with blue it adhere well so i confidentlah but once paint the head Cry.gif
thing go wrong
and that time i panic already and don't what to do

also i don't want to upset my wife , with so much money spend nothing at the end

so pls do help me , or anyone can help me to paint with their airbrush since i already purchase the paint also i can have a chance to learn
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QUOTE (gundamwing @ Sep 28 2009, 01:59 PM)
bro i try on the spoon look ok so i paint but cannot adhere don't why

the plastic spoon i not even wash and is in white colour .

bro entau yes what u said is correct but it seem that if i paint others part and the head ,hand and leg is not paint seem to be not nice and also i want to try my skill

at first i was very happy beacuse i paint the bottom of the leg and the body with blue it adhere well so i confidentlah but once paint the head Cry.gif
thing go wrong
and that time i panic already and don't what to do

also i don't want to upset my wife , with so much money spend nothing at the end

so pls do help me , or anyone can help me to paint with their airbrush since i already purchase the paint also i can have a chance to learn

It's abit weird if you tried it on spoon but doesn't work on ur gundam. I never worked with Bandai kit, I don't know what's their plastic quality like. But usually, if the paint doesn't have problem, the paint works well.

I can offer to use my airbrush, but I do not have a workspace at home. I currently build my model on a foldable portable wood table and all my tools and paints are kept in several small plastic cabinet. So... it'll be inconvenient for you to come my place.
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gundamwing
Posted: Sep 28 2009, 02:26 PM


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thanks bro fly , i don't mind if you come to my place , but i still want to try my handpaint skill i know will be ugly but at least i try , if wrost come to worst i have to used yr airbrush , of course you paint for melah biggrin.gif

now i need to think a way to remove the colour first then i retry to paint .
now if i manage to remove the paint what should i do next , straight paint or buy surface spray and paint and if i don't wnat to buy surface what should i do for the colour to adhere . this is my last hope
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