The Stomach Meridian, Discussions about the stomach meridian

[hullkungfu]

First up stomach 9 my favourite:

St 9 is situated right over the carotid sinus. The carotid sinus is a baroreceptor, whose job it is to detect an increase in blood pressure. When it detects this increase, it sends s signal via the vagus nerve of which it is a part, to the vasomotor centre of the brain, which initiates a vasodilatation, and slowing of the heart rate to lower the blood pressure to normal. This is a good circuit it gets the baroceptors talking to the vagus nerve to stimulate the parasympathetic nervous system to calm the body.

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[SI SOOK EDE]

How to strike it?...would be a good start of research....i think any old chop is gonna bruise the sternal head of the sternocleidomastiod/sternohyoid or omohyoid muscles rather than do damage to the carotid sinus, i think you really need to be looking at a beau jee type of strike in and towards the back of the neck to actually constrict the artery..any comments.....

[si sook Nathan]

i concur

[SI SOOK EDE]

:angry: .come on peeps!.....this is a fantastic subject that you should be greatful for having the opertunity of studying......There are VERY AND I MEAN VERY few teachers of Dim Mak, count ourselves lucky!.........so to carry on with ST9 what about a set up point for this great point?..........Im starting with PC6 located 2CUN above the transverse crease of the wrist in between the tendons of the flexor carpi radialis muscles and the palmaris longus. Im thinking some sort of knife or ridge hand block (yec gat? maybe one for the cantonese section) this will cause great energy drainage causing the body to be out of balance.Then striking ST9 with the afore mentioned beau jee. Comments.........

[si sook Nathan]

ok, this is one of my favourites, it seems to work on most, Heart 2.
It is also known as the 'Quingling' or 'Youthful Spirit'.
When the elbow is flexed, the point is 3 cun above the medial end of the transverse cubital crease, (HT3), in the grove medial to the biceps brachii. This point will slow the heart rate sufficiently to make the opponent feel really ill. This point is also an excellant nerve point strike affecting the whole arm and sending a shock wave into the upper body. There have been cases of knbock out with this point. I feel that this point would be best struck with a pao choi but you can also use it as a standard point to manipulate if you have subdued the opponent as it does cause a lot of pain and will hopefully stop them wriggling.

[SI SOOK EDE]

Good shout Nath.....i think HT2 is very versatile,The gap between the Biceps and triceps is very large leaveing just thin layers protecting the nerve. Even as a person bulks up in this area the gap is still their and accessible.Attacking HT2 will acess the underlying medial nerve which affects the heart.Its one of those great points that can be pressed/rubbed or struck with equal effect, as a set up point for st9 good choice, personally i`d use a more precise strike like a pheonix eye or dragon punch or even a duckbill strike(dont laff I`ll show you it) to get right into it,...........come on the ball is rolling now..........

[si sook Nathan]

Here you go ede, another set up point fot ST9.

Spleen 21
It is known as Dabao or Big Wrapping.
It is located on the mid-axillary line, 6 cun below the axilla, midway between the axilla and the free end of the 11th rib in the 7th intercostal space.
This point we see can do amazing internal damage electrically, that is the the persons Qi, and also physically. This point balences the whole body, left and right torso and also the inner and outer. A strike here spreads out over the whole chest causing great imballence to the Qi system of the whole body. The recipitant will fall into a coma if the strike is done hard enough, and will not recover untill energy ballencing is performed on him. Physically, the liver can be damaged as well as lungs as this point is also connected to LU1. Rib breakage will also occur. Not a point to be played around with!!! It is however an excellant point to use with ST9 causing KO and extreme spleen damage, the lungs contract causing suffocation. With this point the ideal strike would probably be something like a phoenix eye as you can carry a lot of power with a great deal of accuracy especially since if u miss hit you will hit the ribs.

[SI SOOK EDE]

Intresting choice of point Nath, i would like to see your application for this as its not the easiest points to access, my first thoughts would be to use this point from a grappling position say the full mount, your getting choked on the floor a quick dig and twist(dont grind) with the knuckle would be an excellent release causing the body to react with a lift giving you enuff time to plot your escape. While were on this area of the body maybe LV13 would be better(MU -SPLEEN). In the end there is no right or wrong answer whatever works for you is best,...come on this is turning into the Ede & Nath show!!!!........ ;)

[si sook Nathan]

I see where you are coming from with LIV 13, and its a nasty lil spot as well.
But i do like SP21 as we can use it with LU1. We see that SP 21 and LU 1 have a very special connection. If strook one after the other they will cause extreme pain in the whole chest area. If we strike LU 1 second we see that it hinders the progress of Gu Qi, that which is made from food and liquid. So apart from the immediate effect of extreme pain in the whole chest area, the long term effect will be that the gu Qi will not be produced and although the recipitant is taking food, the Qi from that food is going nowhere and so health and lifestyle are slowly diminished.
Of course from that after striking LU1, there is always the optin of attempting to strike LU2, which is probably best with an elbow attempting to access it through the collar bone which in itself will induce even more pain and when LU2 is hit it has been known to cause KO. And of course if u strike LU2 hard enough you can indirectly re-hit LU1 again inducing more pain in the chest area. Of course again, if you did go for LU2, breaking the collar bone in the process, it leaves ST9 wide open as the recipitant will not be able to raise there arm to deffend a strike to the neck.

Just as a thought. Maybe, Defend a ping choi with tansau, also by stepping out, phoenix eye to SP 21, taking control, role there arm over, releasing and going streight in with a tan sau with your second arm, in essence switching blocking arms, and take control with your new blocking arm. Then move streight in with a Phoenix eye to LU1, following streight through and stepping in taking your arm up past the head so that your arm pit is over there collar bone and then just hammering your elbow down into the hollow behind the collar bone hopefully breaking the collar bone and maybe striking LU 1 + 2. Possibly also dragging a tiger claw over the newly broken collar bone hooking it with your fingers in an effort to pull them down, also keeping control of the arm which is attatched to the broken collar bone and using the fact that it will be really painfull for the recipitant to manipulate that arm into a lock, and also they will have very little strength to resist. Or to keep in the theme of ST 9, after dragging down on the collar bone, steping back, strike into the nect with a beau jee.

And if anyone can follow that, well done.

And your response ede, how you find that?

[si sook Nathan]

we do seem to however gone of the stomache meridian line

[SI SOOK EDE]

;) Now that is what where after peeps..although i wouldnt expect anything less from a grand master!! ;) particuly like the use of the tiger claw on the freshly broken cavicle!!...reminds me of a system of fighting from years ago called DANTE dont know if its still around probably outlawed!!(will have to check that on the tinterweb) allthough we may have ever so slightly moved form st9 ;) ....Nath has some wicked ideas!!.....like i said earlier.....we may have to rename this the Ede & Nath show.....since no one else is contributing!!........or would you all rather be tricking!!! :P

[si sook Nathan]

it does seem to be just us two doesn't it :)

I'm especially concerned that non of the other sis ooks are contributing

[si sook Nathan]

sorry, thats supposed to say si sooks

[hullkungfu]

very good ede and nathan....in depth work.....i will send an email out remind everyone that they have to learn and discuss dim mak for there future grades.....I mentioned a few weeks back that I intend to fail 2 people on there next grading and i always keep my word....

Bring it on......

The Monk Finder

[Sweet Cheeks]

Im liking the set up of a 2 finger strike to lung 1 then slam the elbow straight into ST 9. Soz no info on the points but well if you dont know what they do then hang your head in shame.

Where is that Crazy monk

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