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Title: A plan for peace in the Middle East!


Josken - July 8, 2010 08:15 PM (GMT)
What if the US just nuked a city or two. Like, just of the top my head, Tehran and Damascus. You know, just really put the fear in them. Play nice or you're next.

I think it could work.

hydrowolfy - July 8, 2010 08:32 PM (GMT)
Wouldn't that cause the rest of the world to just, you know, gang up and attack the united states, causing world war 3?

Josken - July 8, 2010 08:47 PM (GMT)
I don't know. Does the world care enough?

And they could always say it was a rogue executive decision and just hang the president. You can always get a new one of those.

hydrowolfy - July 8, 2010 08:48 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Josken @ Jul 8 2010, 03:47 PM)
I don't know. Does the world care enough?

And they could always say it was a rogue executive decision and just hang the president. You can always get a new one of those.

But wouldn't that defeat the purpose of setting the nukes off in the first place, that is, the threat that "you are next"?

Josken - July 8, 2010 08:56 PM (GMT)
Sure, but that's just plan E

I'm still pretty sure the world wouldn't care enough.

hydrowolfy - July 8, 2010 09:29 PM (GMT)
Thank you once again josken. Your deep and through insight into complex political situations has once again left me in awe.

Kal - July 8, 2010 10:11 PM (GMT)
I, personally, would not care.

WildCard - July 8, 2010 11:46 PM (GMT)
We would get away with it.

Would save us all that mess counterinsurgency causes.

Number17 - July 9, 2010 02:57 AM (GMT)
Or...

We could take a non-interventionist policy unless it affects us directly i.e. 9/11.

Seriously, fuck that place and I could care less about it.

WildCard - July 9, 2010 03:43 AM (GMT)
Isolationism doesn't work, you need to be proactive if you're going to be a world power.

Stoopidtallkid - July 9, 2010 04:28 AM (GMT)
But is it necessary to be a world power? Give up on policing the world, cut out all but the most basic allegiances, and maintain the strongest navy possible. Wouldn't last, but enough defense that nothing can affect you is pretty safe.

That said, I don't think we can morally just ignore mass-murdering psychos with their own countries full of victims. And once you commit to stopping one sadistic dictator, you need to ensure that whoever succeeds him isn't worse. And then you need to ensure that whichever person you put in power doesn't lose it. And suddenly you're running counter-insurgency in 2 countries and maintaining forces in a dozen others while the world blames you for the problems.

Nuking isn't acceptable, either, if only because most of the people in those cities have no other choice. Even the low-level soldiers are generally just doing what they have to to help their families and not be executed as traitors. It's the high-level guys in their countryside villas that we have to put the fear of god into.

Number17 - July 9, 2010 07:27 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (WildCard @ Jul 8 2010, 10:43 PM)
Isolationism doesn't work, you need to be proactive if you're going to be a world power.

The problem with being a world power is the horrible temptation to be an empire...which is what we are, but not in the conventional sense.

We basically just hold on to our own interest and have military bases around the world that, in the most basic terms, hold no strategic value to us anymore. People like to pretend the Army is there for the defense of the nation, but it really isn't that anymore.

Instead we live in American Realism. Basically willing to fight in our own interest whilst putting humanitarian spin on it.

Iraq is the perfect example. Through all the hooplah of taking out Saddam or WMD's there was a US interest in there that heavily outweighed protection or humanitarian. Those were footnotes in what the initial invasion purposes were.

On the other hand Afghanistan is a different story with some weird new situation going on, but I digress.

I may be in the military and want to kick ass. If my country calls me up, fuck it, I'll go I don't care I signed that contract that says I'll do whatever.

But I do also have a mind of my own and understand that there are better ways to live in the world than being Realist.

How about International Liberalism? That works out pretty well.

cmdrnmartin - July 9, 2010 02:45 PM (GMT)
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World peace cannot be achieved by sitting around on our duffs singing hippy songs to the moon. Peace can only be achieved through excessive acts of seemingly mindless violence. Who do bullies pick on in the playground? The giant, crazy looking guy who looks ready to snap and kill the person nearest or some harmless looking weenie who appears to do anything to avoid conflict? People pick on the weenie because people like to start fights they think they can win. In the same way, people will continue to attack America and our interests when they get the idea that they can piss off America without us immediately eradicating them and everyone around them in the most painful way possible.

Now, if I were president, here's what I would do. Next time some country does something we don't take a pining too, such as supporting terrorism or speaking French, I'd pick the dumbest reason for an attack, e.g., "A 'q' should always be followed by a 'u'. I don't make the rules, Iraq, but I will enforce them." The more irrational you look, the more scared the country will be that you will really hit them hard. I'd then give the country the old one-week notice until bombing starts. Then, after just twenty-four hours, I'd start bombing. When the stupid dictator calls to complain, I'd say, "I meant one week max. Oh, and by the way, ground troops - one week." I'm sure that would be enough to capitulate the average evildoer, but some extra measures could help intimidate others as well. Like, instead of just saturation bombing a city, super-saturation bomb it. After annihilating everything until nothing but ash is left, I'd nuke the ashes. It's that extra bit of extremely disproportionate use of force that makes other countries start to wonder if America "has it all together" and really worrying who we'll lash out against next.

Of course, Europe will start complaining, and Europe's bad mouthing of America gives comfort to our enemies. I mean, those guys values are so messed up they think calling someone a "cowboy" is an insult. Best idea would be to assassinate the leader of the first European country we hear a peep out of. This will probably make us look evil, though, when we want the image of crazy and violent. So, when the Europeans ask why, I'd claim to never have heard of the person: "I didn't even know France had a leader. Sure it wasn't suicide? Yeah, committing suicide with a sniper rifle would be hard, but not impossible if you had a five-hundred yard length of string to work the trigger." Assassination does seem a little extreme, but we're talking about Europe. I mean, what are they going to do other than quickly capitulate under a mild threat of force. We'll probably start seeing, "We all love America!" parades in bids to not be our next targets.

Now the world will be pretty convinced that America is frick'n nuts and just looking for a fight, but we need to really ingrain it into everyone's conscious so that no one will ever even contemplate crossing us. This requires making good use of our nukes. I know, nukes can kill millions of people, but they sure aren't doing anyone any good just sitting around. I mean, how many years has it been since we last dropped a bomb on someone? No one even thinks we'll actually use one now. Of course, using nukes shouldn't be done haphazardly; all uses have to be well planned out because the explosions are so cool looking that we'll want to give the press plenty of notice so they can get pictures of the mushroom cloud from all sorts of different angles. But what to nuke? Well, usually the idea is populated cities, but, by the beliefs of my morally superior religion, killing is wrong. So why can't we be more creative than nuking people. My idea is to nuke the moon; just say we thought we saw moon people or something. There is no one actually there to kill (unless we time it poorly) and everyone in the world could see the results. And all the other countries would exclaim, "Holy @$#%! They are nuking the moon! America has gone insane! I better go eat at McDonald's before they think I don't like them."

But why stop there. We've got like tons of national parks; we surely wouldn't miss just one if we nuked it. Our excuse will be that we heard a drug dealer was hiding there. Then the foreign nations would be like, "Sacre bleu! These Americans are nuking themselves! Surely they will think nothing of bombing us! Let's adapt their vapid culture as our own so they might consider us one of them."

Now all other countries will be completely freaked out and never even dream of messing with us. They'll say the name of America with hushed whispers and always praise us in public for fear of reprisal. We'd be like an Old Testament god to them; perhaps they would even start worshiping us - actually, we should make that a condition of favored trade status. Not only will we have ensured peace for ourselves, but we can also now easily end any conflict between other countries. We see two nations warring over some territory, all we'll have to do is say, "Hey, break it up," and they'll be racing to concede to each other rather than get on the bad side of the "crazy, homicidal Americans." And, if people are being oppressed by an evil government, all we'll have to do is say, "Hey you! Stop being communist!" and the next day they'll have elections, capitalism, and free-press to keep from having their country turned into a parking lot. It will be that easy to motivate our fellow man, because there is hardly anything people treasure more than not being annihilated.

Now all that's needed to keep peace is to come up with new and creative ways of looking insane and belligerent without actually harming anyone. Missile defense is probably a good step in that direction. Next time some country steps out of line, we launch a nuclear missile at them. Just seconds before it hits, we blow it up with our missile defense so that everyone there sees the huge explosion in the sky. Then the president would just call up their leader and say, "Hey, we lost sight of our SDI test. Did you see if it worked?"

By now, you're probably saying, "Great idea. But how to do we pay for all these random acts of violence?" Just create an "Other Country Tax", a tax for being a country other than the U.S. After implementing my plan, all the countries will be eager to pay the money, and probably add a nice tip to win favor.

So there you have it, a real peace plan that could actually work. Warmongering pacifists want us to act all nice such that countries think we're rational and won't kill everyone with a blind fury, thus making it possible they might actually attack us and draw us into a war. But, if America follows my idea and lashes out at the slightest provocation with unmeasured vengeance, there can be peace. So there's the choice: either be a homicidal maniac thus ensuring peace and love in the world, or be some pacifist hippy while the streets flow with the blood of the innocent.

Tama - July 9, 2010 09:18 PM (GMT)
Can you please stop copy pasting and actually SAY something?

WildCard - July 9, 2010 09:23 PM (GMT)
That sounds like Denis Leary.

Tama - July 9, 2010 09:31 PM (GMT)
Not that it isn't hilarious and brilliant, but still. Add some of your own thoughts. I tend to ignore your posts for that reason. It's something that I actually practiced in middle school. Bullies pick on the ones most likely not to hit back, so one day when it actually came to it that someone tried to pulp me right there in the hallway, I put the fear of god in him by raving like a lunatic with a taste for human flesh. Got nose to nose with the guy and gave him the murderous stare, but I never even had to touch him. Never had that problem again. The idea is solid. It's all about implementation. Do it right and you just sit back waiting for the next weed to pop out of the garden. :lol:

Josken - July 10, 2010 09:29 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kal @ Jul 8 2010, 11:11 PM)
I, personally, would not care.

See! I consider my point proven.

Does anyone have Obama's e-mail? He has to be told!

Kal - July 10, 2010 10:55 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Josken @ Jul 10 2010, 09:29 AM)
See! I consider my point proven.

Does anyone have Obama's e-mail? He has to be told!

I feel I can speak for at least three more people, don't forget to include that.

Kojac - July 16, 2010 04:01 AM (GMT)
"I come in peace, I didn't bring artillery. But I am pleading with you with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I'll kill you all." -General Mattis, newly appointed CENTCOM commander.

He's a Marine, if you hadn't gathered that already.

If you don't know what CENTCOM is, it's the command structure in charge of all operations in the Middle East.

WildCard - July 16, 2010 05:53 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kojac @ Jul 16 2010, 12:01 AM)
He's a Marine, if you hadn't gathered that already.

How would I be able to tell that? I can't see his boots. How am I supposed to know if they have velcro on them or not?

Kojac - July 17, 2010 07:41 PM (GMT)
If I recall, the Army is the only service that uses velcro. Apparently y'all can't figure out how to pin on your own rank insignia.

Francis Drake - July 18, 2010 02:58 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kojac @ Jul 17 2010, 02:41 PM)
If I recall, the Army is the only service that uses velcro. Apparently y'all can't figure out how to pin on your own rank insignia.

Air Force has velcro on their flight suits.

WildCard - July 18, 2010 05:35 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kojac @ Jul 17 2010, 03:41 PM)
If I recall, the Army is the only service that uses velcro. Apparently y'all can't figure out how to pin on your own rank insignia.

Which is why you guys sew on your own rank, instead of buying it at the PX and having Clothing and Sales sew it on for you, right?

Number17 - July 19, 2010 06:26 AM (GMT)
No, more like a literal pinning on the colar. It's annoying because the fucking things rub off easily and you get bitched out for not carrying an extra pair because one assumes I have the time and the patience to buy extra sets that are just going to rub off as soon as I get them on.

For some reason this reminded me of Transformers 2 when that White House offical dude grabbed the Majors patch and threw it off going, "You won't be needing this anymore!"

That made me laugh because that was so fucking stupid on several levels.

WildCard - July 19, 2010 09:01 AM (GMT)
Carry around a marker. Also, they don't make Marine rank in STA-BLACK?

Foomartini - July 23, 2010 05:54 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (WildCard @ Jul 8 2010, 10:43 PM)
Isolationism doesn't work, you need to be proactive if you're going to be a world power.

At this point I'm pretty sure the whole damn world is sick of the two kids bitching over who's on who's side of the fucking car.

WildCard - July 25, 2010 01:24 PM (GMT)
Chip: Sure, everyone says Omega's the best, but I'd hate to seem...you know...pushy.

Marmalard: Let the unacceptable candidates worry [about that].

Paraphrased slightly from one of the greatest movies ever made.




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