Because Sociology Helps Determine the Slut in Us, Essay In Reference to 'Slut-Ment' Thread

Because Sociology Helps Determine the Slut in All of Us; In Reference To the Sluts and the 'Slut Mentality' Thread


This Will Be A Frighteningly Long Post: You Have Been Forewarned!

The question which was never addressed in the following thread labeled ‘In Reference To Sluts and the 'Slut Mentality'’ was bluntly do these traditional values blind us, or do they in fact improve the social standard of Western Civilization. ( PLEASE NOTE: I have decided to use ‘western civilization’ as an umbrella term to cover Europe, North America, South America, Australia and Israel, as those continents and states are the ones I have visited and thus the ones I feel I have the best right to judge. I will not pretend the list is fully or in anyway accurate).

The problem EvaXephon faces is not one that he faces alone, but I question whether presenting her opinion to a large group of ideologues of the opposite stance was the best way to receive a proper or ‘complete’ response.

To put this in proper context I feel I should point out that I am an Atheist and have no religious prejudice left right or center. My concern is completely and solely motivated by a desire to point out the positive benefits of many of our ‘traditional values’. Monogamy was likely devised as a process to prevent violence between prospective mates. Traditional dietary rights such as those listed in the Jewish Talmud were created to help a fledgling society persevere over natural obstacles. The ban of pork was likely perpetrated because pork decays at a much faster rate than other meats (such as salted salmon). The similar ban on the mixing of meats and milks at one table was likely created for the same reason. The fact is that many of our traditional values remain as a societal standard because those who fail to practice them invariably either die out or convert.

When EvaXephon thus announces that he hates ‘sluty’ people and the mentality that goes with it I am tempted to immediately agree with the vast majority of forum members who either called her comments childish or outright inflammatory, but that would be to miss the point. Her values are easily as right if not more right then your own ‘tolerance’ for if nothing else he can claim (in reference to monogamy) centuries of monogamy in western civilization as evidence that it has indeed helped to promote a more stable and socially stable society.

I have commonly stated that one should not hate the person but if EvaXephon chooses to hate a new mentality towards the ‘openness of sexuality’ than he is making a more than legitimate point because for the vast majority of atheist and religious practitioners alike the concept of sex for the sake of self gratification does seems a simplistic and meaningless endeavor (and seeing as it will no doubt be brought up at some future point – no I am not a virgin).

This does not mean that an individual should shy away from ‘physical-closeness’ (Be it making-out, sexual intercourse or anything in the broad teenage fucking spectrum), but pursuing it to fulfill a social need (popularity) or because it’s way hotter than firing off some knuckle children is ultimately never going to be accepted by the majority of Western Civilization that aspires to feel a greater ‘closeness’ (nor does it have many adherents in the east).


What I am ultimately trying to get across is that there is a deeper changing of values here, but it is still a test and if society realizes these changes aren’t sustainable (perhaps birthrates plummet to an unforeseen low). Western civilization may shift back again (*history degree is almost certainly messing with my thought process) but when I read things like “I normally avoid this thread like the plague because I see it as listening to some petulant child whining about why they can't continue to live in Sesame Street” I feel an need to point out the hypocrisy at work here. EvaXephon’s view of a stable family oriented world is childish but your orgy filled emotion driven view of life is the height of contemporary wisdom.

The fact is the idea of Slutty being ok (rather than a good ol’ fashioned public stonings of adulterous women [still legit in Iran though]) or Metrosexuality being admirable is recent and even amongst atheists such as myself there is a certain and very real disdain for those who seek to harm society; and teen pregnancies, the huge support programs for the mothers (after they wake up and realize they have raped their future), the abortion clinics, and the S.T.D. centers (which you can easily argue is partially caused by said slutty mentality) which I pay for out of my taxes (i.e. federal universal healthcare in Canada), does bother me. It bothers me because it cuts away at the Federation which I love.

In short this mini-essay is a quick reminder for forum posters to be less arrogant. Your perceptions aren’t perfect and simply because EvaXephon is a virgin doesn’t mean you may assume that you have some moral high ground from which to call her view of humanism childish or unrealistic.

Or better said by Mr. Weber:
“The [Humanist] movement is part of a reawakening of belief in the possibilities for utopia that existed in the nineteenth century and exist again today, a belief that by creating the right social institution, human satisfaction and growth can be achieved.”

You don’t know what those social institutions might be or what will need to be accomplished to provide for human satisfaction; for myself the hope stems from a belief that the Federation holds the next link in human societal development, but I assure you that if you out and out reject ExaXephon’s view you have already missed the libertarian path many of you seem to be hunting for.

In short: one can scream for hours about a concept he doesn’t understand and still remain a screaming idiot (and I know of none who can claim to see into the future of humanity) so at least give EvaXephon the benefit of the doubt before you brand him childish for disagreeing.

Take Care All,
Exiled.Traveler

EvaXephon's a guy. Just so you know.

Him, Her, Guy, Tri, Polesk, Deuts, Jap, Chink, Nigger, Jew-Mongie...My Argument remains the same (admittedly her-his-its opening bit is slightly confusing).

Take Care All,
Exiled.Traveler

I think that restriction of sexuality is extremely unnatural and does NOT promote a healthy society. It is no coincidence that all of the most violent cultures and religions in the world are also the most sexually repressed. Nor is it coincidence that catholic priests, forbidden in engaging in the act of physical love for life, keep molesting children. Most child-rapists are strongly closeted homosexuals who wind up having twisted fetishes because they are unable to accept their homosexuality due to the harsh stigma society puts on it.

Sex is natural. It's instinctual. You put two people, any two people, alone in a room long enough and they're going to fuck, or find some way to gratify their sexual desires.

The divorce rate in this country is over 50%. The rate of cheating on lovers for women is 40-60% and 60-80% for men.

The traditional values we hold today get their genesis in ancient times where much importance was placed on bloodline for the passing down of wealth and property and power through the generations. The goddamnest way to make sure your kids were definitely your kids were to make sure your wife never ever had sex before marrying you.

Even with the puritanical standards for sexual behavior, they came from times when kids were getting married off at age 14. So they never had to deal with their sexuality awakening, they just pop a few periods and get to shooting out babies.

People act like society's falling apart just because teenagers are becoming more and more interested in sex. Society is merely normalizing. It is UNNATURAL for your body to begin awakening a good 5-10 years before it is appropriate to act on those urges in any way. The religious wierdos who somehow got stuck with this notion that one man and one woman are the only appropriate way to raise a family managed to keep the facade going on for a few centuries, but now it's falling apart because human nature is not going to be held down forever.

Women want to fuck now. It's a good thing, it's a wonderful thing. It's the greatest of things. "Sluts" make the world a better place. I honestly believe that. Sex is a part of what we are it is coded into our very biology and fed by the spiritual joy that we feel in that perfect moment of exquisite orgasm shared with another human being. Some people say there was once a time where prostitutes were revered as priestesses for sharing their bodies with any man, so that nobody had to go without that experience in their lifetime. Have you seen some of the ugly motherfuckers out there? We need those kinds of values back, for their sake!

Yes, there is jealousy involved too, there is disease, there is rape. I think there'd honestly be less of all these things though if we would all just fucking loosen up. Anybody who's really had good sex knows that it's one of the greatest gifts we've ever been given, and I think all these "traditional values" trying to make us turn our noses up at that gift and snuff it out is extremely unnatural.

The problem I have with Eva is not his beliefs, principles, values, etc. Though I blame much of it on his rather sheltered lifestly, he has the right to think and live this way. If it's entirely his own choice, it's healthy and I'm quite certain that sticking by it would not bring him some great unhappiness in life. However, it's very important he asks himself if that is what he truly wants or if it is something he has been spoon fed during his upbringing.

Sexual orientation and conduct are something entirely personal. If sometime during our life we are made to believe that our orientation or urges are wrong, this will lead to repression of no less than the person you are. That garantuees a life of unhappiness and self hatred, but can also lead to serious psychological problems outing themselves in ways like molestation and suicide. Which brings me to my actual problem with Eva, but also other people here. They judge.

Do not judge people because they are gay or a slut, but also don't judge them because they believe in full life-time monogamy. It is basically who we are. I sleep around a lot and that works perfectly for me, I enjoy it, it makes me happy, basically as far as sex and relationships go, I have found the lifestyle that suits my personality. For Eva, my life would probably be somewhere near hell. It just wouldn't satisfy his personality's need for a very close warm and everlasting emotional bond with somebody else and if he finds someone who has the same view on life.

Up to 60% of women and 80% of men have ever cheated. Impressive figures, but majority doesn't define "human nature". There is absolutely nothing that defines human nature, because we're all unique. Sure monkeys are all unique too and they fuck around anyway, yet you can't claim that monkeys have the same unique complex personalities like humans.

There is absolutely no "right" way to approach sex, there's just your own way. Don't try forcing it on anyone, not on strangers, not on friends, not even on your children, because it doesn't mean because you enjoy strict married life so much that it would work for your son or daughter too. Different persons, different lives, different sex.

Hey guys, I'm really sorry. I wanted to get a chance to debate this one but I have to help a friend move. I will be back in about 4 (ish) days, and we can rehash this one.

Take Care All,
Exiled.Traveler

ah, the numbers. I agree with Jo with what he had to say, once again i sleep around, infact if i don't have a girl for a month i start to go gym nuts just to even out my weird hormonal level, but I also beleive in love. I've had a few long lasting relationships, all of which ended horribly, and one day i hope to find my perfect woman.

While anyone who knows me will tell you that i've been in love with the same girl for over 6 years now. My friend, who will tell me repeatedly that we can't. She is afraid she will hurt me and for a long time that was enough for me to back off, but as we've gone through the years and have grown and gone to eachother over and over again as betrayals and bad break ups and the ever increasing pressures that life gave us I couldn't let her fear control what i wanted. So for 3 years now I've thrown myself out there over and over again. Only to be shot down.

I'm a slut by nature, I love women. Yet that doesn't mean I can't settle down. I've never cheated, well if you don't count screwing the twin sister and not knowing it was the sister and not the gf... thats not the point though.

I think my life is a Hell relationship wise, i search for something i beleive is already there in my face but out of grasp. My problem with Eva is the fact that he lets other peoples life styles effect him when they have nothing to do with him.

Let others be, if you are not the all powerful overload of the country you can't tell people how to be, and even then you'd need a massacre to make them do what you tell em. This is my problem with Eva... and well with anyone who can't simply let others live their life when they can'tunderstand the mentality of it, or simply can't ignore something that is not their business.

This is my argument.

I'm with Josken. Some people want one partner, some don't.

That means half of marraiges (man I fucked that up) end outside of divorce, and 30% of people don't cheat. A minority yes, but defininently not negligable.

Anything with sociology in it's title is bull shit. All I'm gonna say.

Remember, 50% isn't that bad.
The other 50% is death.

Erik has made nearly all my points for me. That is all.

True that, I have an exam on sociology today and I'm really going to have to bullshit my way through it.

Then you'll do fine, because that's all sociology is. Bull shit. Worst 3 credits I ever had to take.

Well, it's 6 credits and does suck, but unfortunately, it's not the worst.

Could be worse. Could be calculus.