Since it seems to be the right time to bring this up i wanted to see what everyone else thinks:

is it just me or is it kind of... well... degrading to see people applying with models with very unreal stats? I've seen girls listed at 6' and under 130 pounds, some even close to 100 pounds and practically 6 foot!
That is anorexic.

i know i know, some VS models really do weigh that much but I can honestly say: i don't think a lot of them have a BMI of 16 or so.
you know why?
The BMI system is very unrealistic, in fact it makes people fatter then they appear, it doens't account for a lot of things.

being that BMI is unrealistic I decide to go around calculating BMI's, I did a lot and i found that most of the models around here are under the normal weight catagory, in fact I think there were about three or so that weren't.
I take the time when i'm making my models stats to really think about it, I don't want my girls to be 6 foot and 100 pounds, that's just scary.

I've seen people battle deseases like that and you know what? It's not pretty to see a girl that's 5'9 weigh 100 pounds, none the less it's not pretty to see her deteriorate until she can barely function. Neither did she have a b cup. Implants you say? She'd fall over i swear!

Maybe I'm making a big deal out of nothing but it seems it's like a mind warp or something. I'm afraid people really don't get it. I'm under five foot and when i weighed a hundred pounds even i LOOKED unhealthy (wasnt, just kept running... still ate like a garbage disposal... that's why im sitting here like thirty pounds heavier... hmph)

So what do you all think?

How skinny is too skinny?

I understand what you mean, but I wouldn't take everything too seriously. Its just Sims, its just pixels. Its not real.

yes but perception is everything.

if anyone understands what im saying. >.<

I make my sims 5'9" and around 120-130 lbs

The fact that people (here too, but I see it more on flickr) are starting to draw RIBS all over their sims to make them seem even more emaciated in their modeling shots.... that scares me. It genuinely scares me.

^ Woah! Now that's a bit extreme. >_>

Yeah I was kinda amazed when I saw some sims were around 45KG. I weighed that when I was thirteen!

To be honest, when most people write down the height and weight of their sim, I doubt they really are paying that much attention to what they are typing. Most people don't have a BMI chart memorized. All they know is "Okay, this is a model so she needs to be at least 5'9 and probably somewhere between 115 and 125 pounds".

And just because someone has a low BMI doesn't mean they are anorexic. Anorexic is a mental disease in which a person starves themselves to achieve what they feel is an ideal beauty. You wouldn't find a starving person off of the street and say "hey, you're anorexic". It's not anorexia without the mental part.

i agree with slice, i have no idea what weight a 5ft 11, 6ft etc model should be, i'm 5ft 5 and i generally work from my own weight and add 4lbs per inch to give me the weight of my model

although 100 lbs does seem very low for a 6ft girl but i'm not sure if they would mean anything by it

though i don't think generally that people should be judged on how much they weigh, some people are naturally thin and i think calling someone 'anorexic', 'unhealthy' isn't fair just based on the fact that they are skinny unless you know the circumstances. Although there are people who need help and have a problem but sim wise, i don't think that people are deliberately trying to make their model sims overly thin and skeleton like, although i could be wrong

I agree with Slice. I myself do not pay much attention to the weight of my model. Mainly cause I live in Europe were we weigh everything in kilo's and I'm just to lazy to figure out how much models weigh. :doh:

ahahaha kilos.
what a pain to convert.

I kind of agree with slice but at the same time I just feel people should be a little more aware of what skinny is.
Slice I'm sorry if I used the term anorexic, maybe I should've used something, I guess it got put in there for lack of better term. I guess what i meant to say is that is wayy too skinny and naturally you wouldnt see anyone 6foot and 100 pounds unless they had some sort of dease or had an eating disorder or couldnt afford food etc.

@lithe, woa that's super thin. at the same time that sucks. it's funny because when my friend, I'll call her Ana so I don't keep saying my friend, was super sickly skinny no one reported it or tried to help her until she collpased one day. I thought she was in trouble but no one believed me.
Consider it a good thing that people care enough about you to report that :)

but slice is right. I don't think people really think about that but I do think that a girl weighing six foot generally wouldnt weigh 100 pounds (45 kilos for you lithe :) ), i think people have to be aware of that at least.
and yes i do realize it's just playing around
as janelle said people are drawing ribs.

does it seem like that is just an oversight?
(maybe this should be moved to the debate room? lol)

LMAO SAME!
I'm really like "yeah whatever.."whenever i have to figure out weight and height for my sims...
I found a site where there's a nice converter from kilos to pounds,though. :P
And i have to confess i'm not too much into modeling either,so i don't even know how a model should weigh :ph43r:
About the ribs..That's sadly true,i've seen some sims who were far too thin..And those ribs showing..well,i simply don't like them :lol:

hmm i think i'll delete that middle bit, i get really upset at any mention of weight so i tend to rant, now i'm not too sure if i want people to know about it, sorry

its quite alright lithe

It's ok Lithe :)
I was just meaning sims,btw.I really didn't want to get in such a tough topic and i don't know much about any of these problems,so i don't feel like talking about them. :)

it's ok i knew :) i'm fine, i was just talking about people's perceptions of weight and how people have accused me and others in my year of having eating issues just because of being thinner, kinda like slice said, i've just gotten used to being unnecessarily defensive about these kinda things

sorry for going kinda off topic, i'll go shhh now :)

nuuuhhhh.
thats the reason we're here lithe, to be one big happy freaking family.

maybe dysfunctional, but happy :)

:love:

That's what terrifies me too. It truly does. I don't know where people get this idea in their head that it is attractive to do anything like that.
It's gravely insulting to me (and I am sure some others) how trivial some people here make things like that out to be, when my best friend struggles with an eating disorder. When it is a REALITY and not just a little 'drawing' on your sim like it looks KEWLZ!1!!1!

But to be frank - i just LAUGH at anyone who makes their models so thin.
I LAUGH at anyone who thinks a woman who is six foot and 120 lbs is even REMOTELY attractive.
Because it's all I can do in this little world when reality has much harsher things to deal with.

I totally agree with Janelle though, while it's funny people's inability to understand weight - the fact ribs are being drawn, bones protruding and stuff is just DISGUSTING and demeaning to women in every shape and form, whether its 'pixels' or not, it's a horrible habit people have started and one I refuse to ever promote or participate in.

I understand people getting the weights kind of wrong due to different systems of measurement, I'm more familiar with kilograms than pounds myself. XD

But yeah...ribs only look good on plates~

Well,my sim Ireland..She's 6 foot..O_O
*changes*
Baha,i'm so bad at this,couldn't you tell?:P
Really,i should open a topic for helping purpouses XD
On a more serious note,i found that a little disturbing too...I was about to even comment...But maybe it was batter not to say anything..Then i saw that pic a bazillion centuries ago and i don't even remember who made it :ph43r:

I'm glad at least someone gets where I'm coming from.

I think I'm going to post a topic on this so people DO know the measurement system, what is healthy and what is not.

edit: DUNZOOOO! Posted under the Tutorial section here

amen!

To be honest, I don't think weight should even be on contest applications. I know it isn't on some contest applications, but I have seen it. It just isn't something that should matter. You don't see a models weight on their comp cards or on their agencies website.

yea, insted we should write models hips, waist and bust size !!!

Well, that would be more useful...people need to know those when signing up with agencies. XD

Whoever made their model 100 lbs at 6" is crazy. Thats pretty much being pure pure bones. Having a 6" tall woman at 100 lbs would be almost impossible. I'm sure you all know Alice Burdeu, and how very very thin she is. Well she is 6'1" and weighs 127 lbs. Imagine what she would look like if she weighed 27 lbs less. Scary, right?

eugh i know!

She's already one of those scary skinny girls. Like five pounds would make a huge difference on her let alone 27!

While I agree drawing ribs on and editing to make your sim look thin is odd, I don't really mind when someone says (types) their sims height to weight ratio off because it's such a tricky question to most people. Unless you're actually that height you don't know what the right weight is, but there are certain ways to check. I agree there shouldn't be weight questions. I think just asking for height is fine.

It's silly, but I remember once on television a girl said that she was plus sized and it was tough looking at the girls who were 5'10'' and 128 lbs, so I go from that since ANTM girls are usually healthy for the most part. (Ty says it herself, they're "20 pounds heavier then average models.")

I think all of a sudden there is like.. an outburst of BMI! Whats the deal? Lolz.

Since its just the sims, and you can't weigh your sims, I don't think it should matter. Plus, most real life models are 5'9ish and weight 127lbs. Its not a far stretch from reality.

(*pokes Caprice* She's not 127lbs. XD)

I haven't seen to much of that.But holy crap those people are insane,extremely scary. :shifty:
But I don't think your extraggerating or anything heartless but there just sims,mean I try to give my sims a average weight,I don't know?I do have some family members who are fairly tall and barely wieght anything,and I'm like that too. :bow:

Oh please people get a grip it's the sims for god sakes. I honestly don't think stats come into play at all in judging. If you want to make your model 8'3.5" and have her weight 87 lbs. go ahead (as long as you don't make her looks it because that would be disturbing). And just because someone is naturally stick thin..that doesn't make them annorexic. One of my closest friends in middle school was 6'3" and weighed no more then 120 pounds. Her whole family was the exact same way. Modeling scouts look for girls who seem to have this natural thin genes. Now I'm not saying that some models aren't annorexic/bulemic because they are. Butto say models should have to weight a certain weight to look "healthier" is outlandish. Some girls cannot gain weight for the life of them, so I guess they should just quit because they're too skinny...that's ridiculous.

Personally I see both sides of this issue. Some are saying ‘oh this just sims psh psh’ others see how it is effecting people’s perceptions of body weight. I have personally never known anyone as a close friend who had an eating disorder, only from afar. So while I do not have that up close and personal knowledge of helping a friend though something as horrible as this I still cannot help but be enraged at anyone who tosses it out like nothing. For those of you who have no anorexic or bulimic issues this seems so stupid to you, for people to get upset over a game. Yet if you were one of the people going through it yourself or knew someone you really cared about had this struggle you would not feel so ’wutever’ about the subject, even where a game is concerned. Because anyone who struggles with this finds ways to compare their bodies no matter how silly it may seem to YOU. It is not something just to laugh off or roll your eyes at and has a deep emotional connection to all who have had to deal with this.

So never ever toss things out like they are stupid or silly unless you have truly dealt with them before.

I am 5’6” and when I was 17 I weighted 120 pounds and let me tell you I was skin and bones. I looked like you could just breathe too hard around me and I would blow away, could never find clothes b/c I was too tall for the little bitty sizes, and looked like death. So anyone who says that someone could be over 6 feet and weigh what I weighed at 17 is just crazy. You could see my ribs every move I made when I was that weight so thinking that is normal is completely untrue.

I guess I missed the memo when models became the ideal for women, and where we should all base ourselves off them.

Frankly to all those people saying it's 'just a game' then why do you care? Don't accost someone for seeing the reality behind these warped perceptions and commenting on them when you do the same aswell.

You might not THINK you are promoting anything but the ignorance towards this subject in here and the refusal to ever take it like an actual reality, pushing it aside like it's 'no big deal' just lets the problem stem on and grow. It's indirectly allowing it to continue and even if it's 'just a game' in your mind. When you IGNORE a problem, it just gives you your 'go ahead'. Shows people that you don't care. Think of racism, if you ignore someone making racist remarks it just shows them its ALRIGHT to do it. So if you ignore someone contorting body image and acting like it's no big deal, then it's obviously ALRIGHT, no matter what context it is in.
Maybe it's just a game to you, but like Elocin said - until you see the things that go into a girls thinspiration folder you wouldn't believe what she finds to aspire after.

Frankly, i'm disgusted.

Weight topics always seem to bother me a little because I'm 16, 5'4, and not even 100 pounds yet... :P

I agree with Elo and Kait. We've studied eating disorders twice in my psychology class this year (( not to say that I'm an expert or anything like that )) and it is 99.6% MENTAL. When you show images of people (( or people like sims )) it is something that a person with a problem like that could aspire to. And I know most of us just pull numbers out of our as-... air when we fill in the apps (( me included )) but with the topic being discussed I can see how big of an issue it is for some.

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at first i must admit i was just thinking that the sims is just a game and that there are those who are naturally tall and very thin, but after thinking about it more and reading what others have said, i'vw changed my opinion, i can see why images of very thin women, real or not, could have an impact on those who are not naturally very thin and who are vulnerable, for example i can remember about two years ago i got very upset because i was convinced that i had large thighs because of looking at models in vogue, which i now realise was completely stupid. Also in my opinion a lot of people on here are creating sims that are somewhat similar to their idea of what's beautiful, i know i do, and if people are portraying sims that look very thin, such as drawing on ribs that could have an impact on some people. Even though the skinniness of sims wouldn't affect me I will definitely be more careful and use heartless.kitty's weight tut. to get weight right just in case if it would affect others.

I honestly didn't think that it was going to be such a controversial topic but i guess that's what I asked for. Oh well.

I'm seeing a lot of sides of this but what I don't understand is how people can say 'oh it's just a game get over'. I'm talking about judging or winning or contests, we're not talking about any of that, we're talking about perception here. People thinking it's okay for a girl of 6 foot to weigh 100 pounds.
Perception is everything.

If there are that many that honestly think skinny is good and six foot girls at 100 pounds are for real and look good then i don't think i want to be a part of this community. Because you know what? I've seen it.
I've seen my best friend go from being normal, at 5'9, to weighing 100 pounds and less and you know what? It's just not normal. Yes there are people that are very skinny naturally but not without complication so there's no reason go around saying 'oh its normal for some people'.
It's not even a question of what's normal its a question of whats healthy. What bothers me is 'ive seen real people without eating disorders be this tall and weigh this much so its okay for people to think that its good to be that skinny'

its a total wave of dismissal. especially when people you considered to be normal are considered fat thanks to this ideology.
maybe it's the whole modeling scene, I dont know if I want anything to do with it if its always going to be like that.


And i appreciate the support on the wieght tut. I only hope people will use it and see why it's been created.

That seems like it was directed towards me and I never said it's okay for people to think it's alright to be that skinny so don't put words in my mouth. What I said was that some people are that skinny. Nobody should strive to be that skinny because if your body isn't at that weight normally then it's not healthy to go there. But it is just the way some people's bodies are and they can't help that maybe they have a very slender frame and the fact that their body burns weight faster then average. So why should a model who naturally has that frame try to became heavier when that's not how they naturally are? Some designers love skinny girls, some love girls with curves, and some like average girls. So why make the designers who like really skinny models change their visions because some girls might view it as an "ideal look"? Everything is in the eye of the beholder and wheither or not you take those girls off the runways, some girls will strive to be that weight.

It wasnt directed at you :)
just directed at the general dismassal some people have.

I don't think anybody here is saying that it's okay to make a model who is six feet tall at 100 pounds (which is a gross exaggeration).

I just think that some people simply don't pay attention. I'm not talking about the people who draw ribs in their sims (now that's scary). I'm talking about the people who will put a girl at 5'9 and 115 pounds. Technically that is underweight (BMI of 17.0, a healthy BMI is 18.5), but a person could naturally be that skinny. And a great deal of models are. But when most people put down those types of dimensions, chances are they aren't consciously thinking "Oh, I better make sure she has BMI of under 18 because that makes her skinny and all I want is skinny skinny skinny."

My point (which got kind of lost lol), is that the majority of people doing this aren't being shallow... just ignorant ^_^

you made me cry happy tears slice lol.

:)

I have to say that I always try being realistic when giving my sims weight and height, however I will admit that when I see how people make their sims skinny...well it affects me a bit!

I don't get how being 5'8 or 5'9 and 110 lbs is realistic.

I don't concider myself a fat person, I'm not super skinny and never will be cause I have hour glass figure.

When I weighted under 100 lbs I looked SICK. I used to be very underweight cause I had eating disorder (due to depression, no anorexia or any such thing). I did get healthy and for my 5'3 I weigh about 115 lbs , for a long time now. It kind of makes one feel "hmm am I chubby?!" when you see people saying that 115 lbs for a short frame is FAT.

I think I'm a very normal and I hope to never chase ideal weight as long as I'm healthy and happy.

As far as sims, I will probbaly never have a tiny tiny bony typical model-figure sim. I think there's nothing wrong with curves.